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		<title>By: gameinmind</title>
		<link>http://www.polycat.net/1867/wild-card/comment-page-1/#comment-218324</link>
		<dc:creator>gameinmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is a good thing, because it&#039;s a remarkable game and deserves to be experienced by everyone... all races, sexual preferences, genders, and religions included.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When I tell people that Wagner is my favorite composer, they often look at me in surprise.  &quot;Aren&#039;t you Jewish?&quot;  Yes.  &quot;Well doesn&#039;t his antisemitism bother you?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course it does.  But a person is a very complex and multifaceted thing.  A coward can be brave.  A tyrant can be noble.  A genius can be idiotic.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just as Martin Luther was a raging antisemite and still showed bravery in his role in the Reformation, Wagner managed to make beautiful music from a heart that was largely imperfect and maligned.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the ideas underlying Shadow Complex, too, come from a heart that is maligned, then I will enjoy the game in spite of that fact... not because of it, not in ignorance of it.  In spite of it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m glad others have taken it upon themselves to elevate this controversy, showing a light upon Card&#039;s more nefarious side.  Additional debate is always a good thing.  I, for one, had no idea about Card&#039;s homophobia prior to this debate.  And I like to be informed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I also like to be entertained.  Just as the information about Card allows me to grow as a participant in the public dialogue about gay rights, the experience of Shadow Complex allows me to grow as a thinking, experienced participant in gameplay and the larger context of gaming.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Would I enjoy Shadow Complex as much if it were filled with homophobic venom (and it isn&#039;t)?  Probably not.  But I would still be willing to experience it, to sit with it and listen to what the designers, or in this hypothetical case, Card, has to say.  I may not agree with or support the end-result.  But my money is not always a vote of confidence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sometimes it simply represents my entry into the dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is a good thing, because it&#39;s a remarkable game and deserves to be experienced by everyone&#8230; all races, sexual preferences, genders, and religions included.</p>
<p>When I tell people that Wagner is my favorite composer, they often look at me in surprise.  &#8220;Aren&#39;t you Jewish?&#8221;  Yes.  &#8220;Well doesn&#39;t his antisemitism bother you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course it does.  But a person is a very complex and multifaceted thing.  A coward can be brave.  A tyrant can be noble.  A genius can be idiotic.</p>
<p>Just as Martin Luther was a raging antisemite and still showed bravery in his role in the Reformation, Wagner managed to make beautiful music from a heart that was largely imperfect and maligned.</p>
<p>If the ideas underlying Shadow Complex, too, come from a heart that is maligned, then I will enjoy the game in spite of that fact&#8230; not because of it, not in ignorance of it.  In spite of it.</p>
<p>I&#39;m glad others have taken it upon themselves to elevate this controversy, showing a light upon Card&#39;s more nefarious side.  Additional debate is always a good thing.  I, for one, had no idea about Card&#39;s homophobia prior to this debate.  And I like to be informed.</p>
<p>But I also like to be entertained.  Just as the information about Card allows me to grow as a participant in the public dialogue about gay rights, the experience of Shadow Complex allows me to grow as a thinking, experienced participant in gameplay and the larger context of gaming.</p>
<p>Would I enjoy Shadow Complex as much if it were filled with homophobic venom (and it isn&#39;t)?  Probably not.  But I would still be willing to experience it, to sit with it and listen to what the designers, or in this hypothetical case, Card, has to say.  I may not agree with or support the end-result.  But my money is not always a vote of confidence.</p>
<p>Sometimes it simply represents my entry into the dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: gameinmind</title>
		<link>http://www.polycat.net/1867/wild-card/comment-page-1/#comment-218319</link>
		<dc:creator>gameinmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is a good thing, because it&#039;s a remarkable game and deserves to be experienced by everyone... all races, sexual preferences, genders, and religions included.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When I tell people that Wagner is my favorite composer, they often look at me in surprise.  &quot;Aren&#039;t you Jewish?&quot;  Yes.  &quot;Well doesn&#039;t his antisemitism bother you?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course it does.  But a person is a very complex and multifaceted thing.  A coward can be brave.  A tyrant can be noble.  A genius can be idiotic.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just as Martin Luther was a raging antisemite and still showed bravery in his role in the Reformation, Wagner managed to make beautiful music from a heart that was largely imperfect and maligned.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the ideas underlying Shadow Complex, too, come from a heart that is maligned, then I will enjoy the game in spite of that fact... not because of it, not in ignorance of it.  In spite of it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m glad others have taken it upon themselves to elevate this controversy, showing a light upon Card&#039;s more nefarious side.  Additional debate is always a good thing.  I, for one, had no idea about Card&#039;s homophobia prior to this debate.  And I like to be informed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I also like to be entertained.  Just as the information about Card allows me to grow as a participant in the public dialogue about gay rights, the experience of Shadow Complex allows me to grow as a thinking, experienced participant in gameplay and the larger context of gaming.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Would I enjoy Shadow Complex as much if it were filled with homophobic venom (and it isn&#039;t)?  Probably not.  But I would still be willing to experience it, to sit with it and listen to what the designers, or in this hypothetical case, Card, has to say.  I may not agree with or support the end-result.  But my money is not always a vote of confidence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sometimes it simply represents my entry into the dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is a good thing, because it&#39;s a remarkable game and deserves to be experienced by everyone&#8230; all races, sexual preferences, genders, and religions included.</p>
<p>When I tell people that Wagner is my favorite composer, they often look at me in surprise.  &#8220;Aren&#39;t you Jewish?&#8221;  Yes.  &#8220;Well doesn&#39;t his antisemitism bother you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course it does.  But a person is a very complex and multifaceted thing.  A coward can be brave.  A tyrant can be noble.  A genius can be idiotic.</p>
<p>Just as Martin Luther was a raging antisemite and still showed bravery in his role in the Reformation, Wagner managed to make beautiful music from a heart that was largely imperfect and maligned.</p>
<p>If the ideas underlying Shadow Complex, too, come from a heart that is maligned, then I will enjoy the game in spite of that fact&#8230; not because of it, not in ignorance of it.  In spite of it.</p>
<p>I&#39;m glad others have taken it upon themselves to elevate this controversy, showing a light upon Card&#39;s more nefarious side.  Additional debate is always a good thing.  I, for one, had no idea about Card&#39;s homophobia prior to this debate.  And I like to be informed.</p>
<p>But I also like to be entertained.  Just as the information about Card allows me to grow as a participant in the public dialogue about gay rights, the experience of Shadow Complex allows me to grow as a thinking, experienced participant in gameplay and the larger context of gaming.</p>
<p>Would I enjoy Shadow Complex as much if it were filled with homophobic venom (and it isn&#39;t)?  Probably not.  But I would still be willing to experience it, to sit with it and listen to what the designers, or in this hypothetical case, Card, has to say.  I may not agree with or support the end-result.  But my money is not always a vote of confidence.</p>
<p>Sometimes it simply represents my entry into the dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: mittense</title>
		<link>http://www.polycat.net/1867/wild-card/comment-page-1/#comment-218318</link>
		<dc:creator>mittense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I quite like Chair and have a lot of respect for their work. My issue, and I think I failed to represent this in this piece, was of Orson Scott Card&#039;s general view on homosexuality, Peter David&#039;s absurd definition of intolerance, and how dismissive David was of what gaming is and can be.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m still going to be buying Shadow Complex, for instance, because it looks like a great game, but I don&#039;t have to silently tolerate Orson Scott Card or Peter David in doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I quite like Chair and have a lot of respect for their work. My issue, and I think I failed to represent this in this piece, was of Orson Scott Card&#39;s general view on homosexuality, Peter David&#39;s absurd definition of intolerance, and how dismissive David was of what gaming is and can be.</p>
<p>I&#39;m still going to be buying Shadow Complex, for instance, because it looks like a great game, but I don&#39;t have to silently tolerate Orson Scott Card or Peter David in doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.polycat.net/1867/wild-card/comment-page-1/#comment-218317</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll echo what I said in one of the GayGamer articles: I&#039;m tolerant of other&#039;s views, opinions, and beliefs. Or at least I consider myself to be. I&#039;m sure some see me differently. What I&#039;m not tolerant of is disrespect. Card has expressed himself beyond opinion and into disrespect. &quot;I disagree with homosexuality because...&quot; is one thing. &quot;Homosexuals are genetic mixups who don&#039;t deserve to be accepted, equal members of society&quot; is another. I am, of course, paraphrasing here. I&#039;ll respect one&#039;s opinion if it shows respect to those it argues against. Card has yet to seem to grasp this. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll also repeat what I said at Gay Gamer: I&#039;m less inclined to buy the game after reading Peter David&#039;s comments. I won&#039;t be made to feel like I&#039;m putting ANYONE in &quot;financial ruin&quot; because I fail to buy their product. I&#039;m not taking money away from them, I&#039;m just failing to give them any. I also won&#039;t be guilt tripped into buying the game so I won&#039;t be the intolerant one. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unlike others, I do not wish to see Card out of work. I don&#039;t wish to change his views or opinions. I do, however, wish he could express himself in a respectful way. Chair can continue to make works based off Card. Card can continue to be a successful author. I, however, won&#039;t be buying his products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ll echo what I said in one of the GayGamer articles: I&#39;m tolerant of other&#39;s views, opinions, and beliefs. Or at least I consider myself to be. I&#39;m sure some see me differently. What I&#39;m not tolerant of is disrespect. Card has expressed himself beyond opinion and into disrespect. &#8220;I disagree with homosexuality because&#8230;&#8221; is one thing. &#8220;Homosexuals are genetic mixups who don&#39;t deserve to be accepted, equal members of society&#8221; is another. I am, of course, paraphrasing here. I&#39;ll respect one&#39;s opinion if it shows respect to those it argues against. Card has yet to seem to grasp this. </p>
<p>I&#39;ll also repeat what I said at Gay Gamer: I&#39;m less inclined to buy the game after reading Peter David&#39;s comments. I won&#39;t be made to feel like I&#39;m putting ANYONE in &#8220;financial ruin&#8221; because I fail to buy their product. I&#39;m not taking money away from them, I&#39;m just failing to give them any. I also won&#39;t be guilt tripped into buying the game so I won&#39;t be the intolerant one. </p>
<p>Unlike others, I do not wish to see Card out of work. I don&#39;t wish to change his views or opinions. I do, however, wish he could express himself in a respectful way. Chair can continue to make works based off Card. Card can continue to be a successful author. I, however, won&#39;t be buying his products.</p>
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